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    Default Cheaters???

    How would I go about reporting a cheater?
    I imagine that I would have to report it to the Server Admin, what if it is the Admin that is the one cheating?

    Admins have the ability to change things like Gold Tags, Strength and Hitpoints and whatnot, right?

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    How would I go about reporting a cheater? I imagine that I would have to report it to the Server Admin
    Yep, he's the guy to report it to.

    what if it is the Admin that is the one cheating?
    Complain on these forums and boycott the server. But keep in mind the game might have a bug or something and screwed up on its own or due to a mod - not necessarily the admin's fault!

    Admins have the ability to change things like Gold Tags, Strength and Hitpoints and whatnot, right?
    Yep. They hold old the keys, sort of virtual gods of the world!

    So similar to when I played Trade Wars 2002 in the BBS days of old, I'd avoid playing on a server where the admin also competes, just to be safe.
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    Unfortunately, I wasn't aware that he was playing on the server... I just know that there is no strategy that would have given him enough Gold Tags to have gained all he has in such a short period of time... Even if he got a Gold Tag on every sale...

    I'll email the Admin, but I'm almost certain that the Admin and the problem player are either one in the same or very good friends...


    Thanks for the help...

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    Seth, are you sure there are no ways to Cheat in the 0.97 Server???

    I contacted the Admin of the site I'm speaking of, he claims that he barely has time to over look the servers to make sure they are work much less play... He said he might get around to checking the server over the next week or 2...

    It's mess up how people need to ruin it for others just to feel better about themselves... But how do you feel better when you know you've cheated to win???

    I guess I'm just too Old School for this any more... lol

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    It's always possible there is a way to cheat with any game or system.

    There was a loop-hole a while back that allowed someone to fake packets to attack again after being dead during a player fight, I fixed it a day or so later after I could confirm it.

    If anybody can tell me how to reproduce a cheat (or some decent clues) I will always fix it ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bafitis View Post
    I contacted the Admin of the site I'm speaking of, he claims that he barely has time to over look the servers to make sure they are work much less play... He said he might get around to checking the server over the next week or 2...
    You can always come by my server. I keep a close eye on it. :-)

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    Actually I do play on your Server... lol

    I like your game very much... Would be nice if Luck were a little easier to come by, but all around very nice game... I like all the extras, like the Graveyard and the Morgue and whatnot...
    I just keep losing so much Luck in the Graveyard... lol


    To respond to Seth, I don't have any Rock Solid clues or evidence, I just know that it is Mathematically Impossible for this guy to have the Stats that he has...

    But there are plenty of other Servers to play on that I haven't had any problems with people like that, so I guess I'll just take that one off my list...
    Thanks for your time guys... ;}
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    Question What server are we talking about??

    And can you give more of what and when this all happen? My server isn't up yet but it will be soon.. I don't think it will be the 0.97 server it will be the 0.95..

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    Hi, this happened last April, it was the main reason V0.97 was released. Check here for the latest FQ news.

    I recommend only running the latest version.
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    Hey Seth, did Doug from FQ Legacy forward that email to you for me??? I don't have your email address and I asked him to forward something to you, he said he did, but I just wanted to make sure...

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    Yep, he did, thanks.
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    Default other servers with a possible problem...

    With regards to this, whilst browsing the server list I noticed that the rankings on the Wastelands server seemed a little odd. The game is about 30 days old, yet the top player has 105 million BP. The top 12 players all have scores of half a million or more.

    The person who is believed to be cheating that Bafitis mentioned also appears to play on the Wastelands server, and is one of the players with a seemingly impossible score.

    Escoutaire

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    Seth, any ideas on that email??? Is what I suggested in there possible or have you not had the chance to look into it yet???

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    Well, I don't know of any way to cheat yet if that's the question, but I'm working with the admin to allow closer monitoring of the game.
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    Default more logging

    Before I get too far along... speaking of Trade Wars 2002... come play some time

    telnet://twars.oldewest.net

    Okay, back to the "cheating"..

    I have enabled additional logging, but so far see nothing out of the ordinary.

    Seems legit, here is the actual pertinent info from the log from Michael's 02/05/08 play time:

    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 111 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael took risk (90 luck) won 50 bp.
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 121 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 83 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 209 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 51 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 80 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:19 AM:Michael earned 70 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael earned 65 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael earned 123 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael earned 180 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael took risk (93 luck) won 50 bp.
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael took risk (93 luck) won 50 bp.
    02-05 11:20 AM:Michael earned 94 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 83 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 82 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 92 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:`7The TV: `w"A Super Rich middle aged man just left Parlor of Death looking pissed," a reporter says.
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 107 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 65 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:21 AM:Adding to log: `7Michael makes a perfect sale, the industry is in awe.
    02-05 11:21 AM:Michael earned 218 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Adding to log: `7Michael makes a perfect sale, the industry is in awe.
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 286 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 83 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 84 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 127 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 103 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:22 AM:Michael earned 110 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:23 AM:Michael earned 49 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:23 AM:Michael earned 56 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:23 AM:Giving bonus wood tag to Michael.
    02-05 11:23 AM:Michael earned 123 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:23 AM:Michael earned 130 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:23 AM:Michael earned 63 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 176 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 204 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 88 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 50 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 49 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 46 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:24 AM:Adding to log: `7Michael makes a perfect sale, the industry is in awe.
    02-05 11:24 AM:Michael earned 265 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:25 AM:Michael earned 67 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:25 AM:Michael earned 92 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:25 AM:Michael earned 115 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:26 AM:Michael earned 196 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:26 AM:Michael earned 213 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:26 AM:Michael earned 92 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:26 AM:Michael earned 59 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:26 AM:Michael earned 51 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 153 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 37 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Waiting for welcome message...
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 113 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 53 BP's off a Poor guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 99 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 90 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:27 AM:Michael earned 101 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:28 AM:Adding to log: `7Michael makes a perfect sale, the industry is in awe.
    02-05 11:28 AM:Michael earned 264 BP's off a Average guy
    02-05 11:28 AM:Michael earned 108 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:28 AM:Michael earned 254 BP's off a Super Rich guy
    02-05 11:28 AM:Adding to log: `7Michael makes a perfect sale, the industry is in awe.
    02-05 11:28 AM:Michael earned 295 BP's off a Rich guy
    02-05 11:29 AM:Adding to log: `8Michael brutally assaulted Stonekeep!`6
    "3rd. place is looking really good for you." `8justified Michael.
    02-05 11:30 AM:Adding to log: `8Michael brutally assaulted Boris the Blade!
    02-05 11:35 AM:11:35 AM:Michael got kicked for inactivity

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    ok. I decided to see if I could work out how he was cheating, if indeed he was.
    I set up a demo server locally, and replicated the first 6 players from the server in question. I had to estimate some settings, but I don't think it mattered. I had Michael's luck, hp and strength correct.

    I played a day as him, and scored over 11000 points. breakdown was as follows:

    55 turns earned 5600bp approx
    attacking player in 2nd place earned 3200bp approx
    atticking player in 3rd place earned 2800bp approx

    total 11600 approx

    It appears that once the player in first place gets a significant lead on those behind him, maybe 25% or higher, he becomes almost unassailable.

    I am forced to conclude that he isn't cheating.

    Escoutaire

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    To my understanding, after speaking with others, there is a Glitch in the Psyche Levels... Once a Certain Level is obtained {I don't know it myself}, then you begin to get customers that are more likely to give you a perfect sale... Along with the ability to get more Perfect sales, you never get wood or silver sale Tags anymore... For people who know this level number, makes it a bit unfair for others who have to deal with Wood and Silver Tags...
    Maybe it isn't a Glitch, maybe it is a reward for going to unwarranted level of Psyche when 10 is more than you need for a good game... I've heard rumors that the glitch happens up in the 20s somewhere...

    If the rumor of the Glitch is true, is it possible to put a Cap on the Level of Psyche one can obtain, say maybe 15 or something???

    Since hearing of this, I've slowly been raising my Psyche and if I notice a change in game play I intend to report it...


    Escoutaire since you've ran Demos, maybe you could try this out and change the Psyche Levels of your players and see if there is a change??? Would save me the trouble of trying it in real game time...

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    I'll up the psych level to 25 or 30 later and see what happens.

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    I just checked in game and Michael's psych level is 12.

    Thanks to Doug for installing magic seeing stone mod.

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    Why I used the Stone it didn't show my his Psyche Level...

    I still think there is something amiss, he came from way behind losing fight after fight to being untouchable and shooting way up in the Points... There were 3 of us that he couldn't touch in a fight, was either losing or running and since he was so far behind he was being beat with room to spare...


    But alright... I'll stop talking about... I'll just stop playing on Servers I see him on...

    Thanks for the dedication Seth... And Escoutaire here near the end...

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