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Brys
10-02-2015, 11:37 AM
I dont think they meant to make this offensive/disrespectful but it is.

If you check the meet and great subforum it says "where experienced players threaten to quit".
I honestly think this is crossing the line a bit. People quit and actually quit, and they dont quit just to get attention but they have to quit for personal reasons
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Areodax
10-02-2015, 11:44 AM
I feel like mom's plan is coming into place.

An evil, monstrous plan.

MyLegGuy
10-02-2015, 11:54 AM
You're not going to die just because you think something is offensive/disrespectful.

IceKane
10-02-2015, 12:22 PM
You're not going to die just because you think something is offensive/disrespectful.

But brys is still making a point. It sounds degrading on the part of the forumers.

Edvoid20
10-02-2015, 12:32 PM
That's actually pretty funny, cause its like, soooooooo true! ;)

*About how pro players threaten to quit!*

IceKane
10-02-2015, 12:38 PM
lol if you are saying about this.Then can i say that WTS is offensive because it can be misinterpreted as "What the ****"?

That is totally different from what brys is saying. What is written there is no riddle. It obviously says that "experienced forumers threaten to quit". The admins (or whoever typed the subtitle) just had to put the word "threaten", which means that we either through out tantrums or ultimatums. On top of that, there's the adjective "experienced", which is very degrading.

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That's actually pretty funny, cause its like, soooooooo true! ;)

*About how pro players threaten to quit!*

Pro players don't threaten to quit. They basically complain about something like getting scammed then says that he is quitting, like michaelhans. The only person I've seen threaten to quit was Styx in his casino thread (maybe he said step down, but essentially the same thing)

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 12:39 PM
lol if you are saying about this.Then can i say that WTS is offensive because it can be misinterpreted as "What the ****"?

No, that is different. WTS is a common term used in many games, and it isn't implied to tease, nor slightly offend forum users, it is implied to mean Willing to Sell, I am happy this is brought into Growtopia as the current trading chat people use makes everyone seem degraded into wild primitive apes who can only swear, fist-fight and say Tarde. Which is stupid.

Whereas what Brys is referring to, is literally offending in the slightest sense teasing, or poking fun at people. Yes, some people do quit forever, I've quit for quite a bit just making sure my stupid locks don't degrade, (i faked that returning thread) and honestly that's just poking fun at people who try to quit cause of a sick community who is a majority of scammers. Hey, someone quit because he got tricked, but hey, they're returning cause they love your game so much, don't try to poke fun at them. That's just demoralising.

Hey look, I'm gonna get banned for saying my opinion.

peck
10-02-2015, 12:44 PM
I dont think they meant to make this offensive/disrespectful but it is.

If you check the meet and great subforum it says "where experienced players threaten to quit".
I honestly think this is crossing the line a bit. People quit and actually quit, and they dont quit just to get attention but they have to quit for personal reasons
.http://i61.tinypic.com/iegf36.png

Threats still go through so it still applies. I honestly love it, keeping it their forum with their humor and such and not the communities to end up like every other tripleA game developers forum: boring.

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 12:45 PM
Threats still go through so it still applies. I honestly love it, keeping it their forum with their humor and such and not the communities to end up like every other tripleA game developers forum: boring.

But to an extent where it can be taken as demoralising to players? Don't joke around with your fanbase.

peck
10-02-2015, 12:50 PM
Hey look, I'm gonna get banned for saying my opinion.

No, you wont. People thinking this forum is run by nitpicking dictators havent particpiated in any other game community ever. There are alot of chill mods here likely because they're younger and just more tolerant of you peeps.
Its hard to get banned on these forums.

SageDeoxys
10-02-2015, 12:51 PM
You shouldn't mind it too much. They were probably referencing STYX and the whole betting thing.

ParkourDevil
10-02-2015, 12:52 PM
Wow, that subforum actually makes sense

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 12:53 PM
No, you wont. People thinking this forum is run by nitpicking dictators havent particpiated in any other game community ever. There are alot of chill mods here likely because they're younger and just more tolerant of you peeps.
Its hard to get banned on these forums.

Hard? lol no.

And its like easy as crap to get an infraction.

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You shouldn't mind it too much. They were probably referencing STYX and the whole betting thing.

Why would they reference it towards one player. Just cause STYX was experienced and quit, doesn't mean he's the only person who's done that.

peck
10-02-2015, 12:54 PM
But to an extent where it can be taken as demoralising to players? Don't joke around with your fanbase.

HA. You are one of those "the game belongs to the fans!!". Never let your crew run your boat. Yea this "demoralisation" is stating that lots of people threaten to quit and never truly do, which happens and I dont even see how its offensive. If all the attention needy quitters get their feelings hurt fine. Anyone can find anything offensive. You're overreacting, shoo away white knight.

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 12:57 PM
HA. You are one of those "the game belongs to the fans!!". Never let your crew run your boat. Yea this "demoralisation" is stating that lots of people threaten to quit and never truly do, which happens and I dont even see how its offensive. If all the attention needy quitters get their feelings hurt fine. Anyone can find anything offensive. You're overreacting, shoo away white knight.

If you have a game, its literally run by fans, no fans:no players:no profit. People decide to not quit because they enjoy the game so much, why would you tease them or refer to them in a way as if they're trash. " Huh, looks its that experienced player who threatened to quit. "

PolarisHD
10-02-2015, 01:15 PM
Lmao. You guys are taking it too seriously.

It'd be better if they brought back "pretend to quit", though. Honestly, using the phrase "threaten to quit" kinda doesn't make any sense, since only a few people do that.

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 01:23 PM
Lmao. You guys are taking it too seriously.

It'd be better if they brought back "pretend to quit", though. Honestly, using the phrase "threaten to quit" kinda doesn't make any sense, since only a few people do that.

Never seen anyone threaten to quit tbh.

Solorien
10-02-2015, 01:24 PM
Woah.

Um... That was a little joke about the fact that the majority of the threads in that forum are "I quit" threads. It wasn't targeted at anyone and it was expected that experienced forumers would get the joke because they had been around long enough to see the same thing.

While it appears that most people understood that, it is also clear that there were people who felt attacked by this. That was not the intent. The description will be changed.

Thanks for the input.

IceKane
10-02-2015, 01:30 PM
Woah.

Um... That was a little joke about the fact that the majority of the threads in that forum are "I quit" threads. It wasn't targeted at anyone and it was expected that experienced forumers would get the joke because they had been around long enough to see the same thing.

While it appears that most people understood that, it is also clear that there were people who felt attacked by this. That was not the intent. The description will be changed.

Thanks for the input.

Is that you, Solo? Ehh, I like the way you changed. You posts sounds more caring. Keep it up!

peck
10-02-2015, 01:35 PM
Woah.

Um... That was a little joke about the fact that the majority of the threads in that forum are "I quit" threads. It wasn't targeted at anyone and it was expected that experienced forumers would get the joke because they had been around long enough to see the same thing.

While it appears that most people understood that, it is also clear that there were people who felt attacked by this. That was not the intent. The description will be changed.

Thanks for the input.

That's unfortunate.

Dark_Heat
10-02-2015, 01:36 PM
Woah.

Um... That was a little joke about the fact that the majority of the threads in that forum are "I quit" threads. It wasn't targeted at anyone and it was expected that experienced forumers would get the joke because they had been around long enough to see the same thing.

While it appears that most people understood that, it is also clear that there were people who felt attacked by this. That was not the intent. The description will be changed.

Thanks for the input.

Cool, its for the better I guess...

Btw, love that quote in your signature.

Megazork
10-02-2015, 01:41 PM
If only I could paste J192's special snowflake thread.

*sighing intensifies*

Brys
10-02-2015, 08:02 PM
Woah.

Um... That was a little joke about the fact that the majority of the threads in that forum are "I quit" threads. It wasn't targeted at anyone and it was expected that experienced forumers would get the joke because they had been around long enough to see the same thing.

While it appears that most people understood that, it is also clear that there were people who felt attacked by this. That was not the intent. The description will be changed.

Thanks for the input.

I mean somebody was going to say something sooner or later. It didnt hurt me but it may hurt others, but it may be lowkey degrading to some players wanting to quit. You may close this thread if you want to.

Play360
10-03-2015, 03:10 AM
At first i think it's edited, but i actually went and saw this. It really is has it's point. Haha! :yeah:

IceKane
10-03-2015, 04:14 AM
Am I the only person who thought about STYX when I saw this?

Nope. I did, too.

Solorien
10-03-2015, 12:45 PM
I mean somebody was going to say something sooner or later. It didnt hurt me but it may hurt others, but it may be lowkey degrading to some players wanting to quit. You may close this thread if you want to.

It was terrific of you to be so concerned about everyone else's feelings in this single instance. Let's keep this in mind the next time you consider posting a "funny" thing though, shall we?

Updated
10-03-2015, 12:58 PM
It was terrific of you to be so concerned about everyone else's feelings in this single instance. Let's keep this in mind the next time you consider posting a "funny" thing though, shall we?


This is getting tense

mrthadawee
10-03-2015, 01:12 PM
The Drama subforum always said 'pretend to quit' and no one batted an eye.

IceKane
10-03-2015, 01:20 PM
The Drama subforum always said 'pretend to quit' and no one batted an eye.

Pretending to Quit =/= Threaten to Quit. Get your facts right.

Solorien
10-03-2015, 01:35 PM
Pretending to Quit =/= Threaten to Quit. Get your facts right.

I'm curious about this. What exactly is the difference? They're both done for attention. They're both used to trick people into giving you things and saying nice things about you. Neither of them result in actual quitting. What IS the difference?

And why is one acceptable and the other not? I mean beyond the fact that certain people get a kick out of being as abusive as possible toward everything they attribute to me? Why was "pretend" fine for years but "threaten" couldn't be tolerated? I'm asking sincerely, as I truly don't understand why this became an issue.

[Goldshard]
10-03-2015, 01:36 PM
This is actually funny lol. It does basic oh sum it up.

Brys
10-03-2015, 01:52 PM
It was terrific of you to be so concerned about everyone else's feelings in this single instance. Let's keep this in mind the next time you consider posting a "funny" thing though, shall we?

Can I post my mixtape?
Its fire.

No but seriously, can do. I'll watch myself lol.

User1234
10-03-2015, 01:55 PM
I'm curious about this. What exactly is the difference? They're both done for attention. They're both used to trick people into giving you things and saying nice things about you. Neither of them result in actual quitting. What IS the difference?

And why is one acceptable and the other not? I mean beyond the fact that certain people get a kick out of being as abusive as possible toward everything they attribute to me? Why was "pretend" fine for years but "threaten" couldn't be tolerated? I'm asking sincerely, as I truly don't understand why this became an issue.

Because threatening is very "demoralizing" to our dear forum users. I personally think this is just to nitpick at an attempt to support that whole "bring back the old layout" stuff and whatnot. I mean you have to keep in mind that some people are very sensitive and easily offended around these parts.

Solorien
10-03-2015, 02:04 PM
Because threatening is very "demoralizing" to our dear forum users. I personally think this is just to nitpick at an attempt to support that whole "bring back the old layout" stuff and whatnot. I mean you have to keep in mind that some people are very sensitive and easily offended around these parts.

And some people like to use those sensitive souls by getting them all riled up about things that don't matter just because it's fun to watch the chaos. Exhibit A: Fox News. I guess I have to accept this kind of nonsense being targeted at me as the natural result of me being so amazing and beautiful and intelligent*. Jealous peeps gonna jell.

*for the sarcastic illiterate among our members... That was a JOKE.

User1234
10-03-2015, 02:13 PM
And some people like to use those sensitive souls by getting them all riled up about things that don't matter just because it's fun to watch the chaos. Exhibit A: Fox News. I guess I have to accept this kind of nonsense being targeted at me as the natural result of me being so amazing and beautiful and intelligent*. Jealous peeps gonna jell.

*for the sarcastic illiterate among our members... That was a JOKE.

It never really was a problem. Some people simply felt the need to make it a problem. It's just something you're going to have to put up with for a short while. The same goes with the Drama sub forum boycott/petition nonsense. Some have gotten so used to abusive behavior/language that they can't even fathom what civil even means. That was probably more or less of a stretch, but you get the idea.

IceKane
10-03-2015, 04:28 PM
I'm curious about this. What exactly is the difference? They're both done for attention. They're both used to trick people into giving you things and saying nice things about you. Neither of them result in actual quitting. What IS the difference?

And why is one acceptable and the other not? I mean beyond the fact that certain people get a kick out of being as abusive as possible toward everything they attribute to me? Why was "pretend" fine for years but "threaten" couldn't be tolerated? I'm asking sincerely, as I truly don't understand why this became an issue.

I'm pretty sure the difference was obvious. Well, maybe not. Okay, here it goes:

Pretending is the act of saying something somewhere in between the words joking and lying. Yes, one does this to get attention, and solely for attention. Anyone who pretends to quit goes type in a submissive way, making people feel sorry for them, just as you said. And, for a fact, forumers actually do this.

Threatening is a WHOLE new level. But seriously, since when was threatening similar to pretending? Isn't a threat a form of provocative speech? The difference here is how people get attention. Wait, the reason in this one isn't attention at all. People threaten others to get them to do their bidding (e.g. Styx, sorry, didn't mean to single out).

Anyway, back to the point. The means used in threatening is very different. Instead of the submissive text used by hypocrites (the pretenders), threats are formed by aggressive speech. The "tone" used is always harsher. Isn't that how criminals threat people to give them their valuables, not in a way that makes them feel sorry?

To be honest, I'm seriously wondering why threatening got stereotyped with pretending here.

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*for the sarcastic illiterate among our members... That was a JOKE.

Really, Solorien? Illiterate? I know you're joking here, but you don't have to iterate your mistake here. (Or whoever did the mistake)

On a side note: iterate is illiterate without "ill". Funny.

BoredSozes
10-03-2015, 04:51 PM
Well, it's true you know. Most people threaten to quit for attention, or just to scam.

Solorien
10-03-2015, 04:52 PM
Threatening has more than one definition. It doesn't ALWAYS mean saying something in an aggressive way. It can also mean promising to do something unless specific actions are taken. For example, saying that you are going to quit a game unless someone gives you attention or items. Just for example.

Regarding the word "stereotyping":
(Noun) a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by MEMBERS OF A GROUP

Stereotyping is not used to discuss words or ideas. It's about people.

Regarding "sarcastic illiterate"... I don't even... I mean, beyond actually telling you it was sarcasm (which I DID!!!) I don't know how to help you here. Either you can understand what I say or you can't... Or you can keep nitpicking every word. It's your call. Have a nice life.

Garrgoil
10-03-2015, 05:39 PM
🎵...In the arms oooooooof an angel...🎵

IceKane
10-04-2015, 02:31 AM
Threatening has more than one definition. It doesn't ALWAYS mean saying something in an aggressive way. It can also mean promising to do something unless specific actions are taken. For example, saying that you are going to quit a game unless someone gives you attention or items. Just for example.

Regarding the word "stereotyping":
(Noun) a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by MEMBERS OF A GROUP

Stereotyping is not used to discuss words or ideas. It's about people.

Regarding "sarcastic illiterate"... I don't even... I mean, beyond actually telling you it was sarcasm (which I DID!!!) I don't know how to help you here. Either you can understand what I say or you can't... Or you can keep nitpicking every word. It's your call. Have a nice life.

Since you did prove my use of the word stereotype wrong, let me prove your definition of threaten wrong.
(verb) state one's intention to take hostile action against someone in retribution for something done or not done.
(verb) express one's intention to harm or kill (someone).
(verb) cause (someone or something) to be vulnerable or at risk; endanger

Now, look at all those definitions. In each and every meaning to "threaten", there is a word that tells us that "threaten" is a negative word. Now, how do you explain that to threaten someone isn't aggressive? And about your example there. "It can also mean promising to do something unless specific actions are taken." That's not a threat. That's an ultimatum. A bit similar, but different in a way that I cannot explain.

About my erroneous use of "stereotype", my mistake. I'll try to get it right next time.

And about the "sarcastic illiterate" issue we're having here. I don't necessarily nitpick every word here.


But as soon as the discussion devolves into name calling and personal attacks, it will be removed.


My point is, you tell us that you'd close any thread with "name calling and personal attacks", but you use words equally insulting. That's the message I'm trying to get to you. You as a teacher should know this best. You know that children get insulted by the simplest jokes. That's all.

syrup
10-04-2015, 03:04 AM
lol people are never going to leave this forum, i bet that this is the only and first forum they've ever been on.

iFrostSpark
10-04-2015, 04:36 AM
Popcorn detected over here.

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I've been to other forums. I just have to admit that this is the most interesting one.

eyyyy
i was on TCF (terraria comunity forums) then left it for this one

Solorien
10-06-2015, 01:52 PM
Since you did prove my use of the word stereotype wrong, let me prove your definition of threaten wrong.
(verb) state one's intention to take hostile action against someone in retribution for something done or not done.
(verb) express one's intention to harm or kill (someone).
(verb) cause (someone or something) to be vulnerable or at risk; endanger

Now, look at all those definitions. In each and every meaning to "threaten", there is a word that tells us that "threaten" is a negative word. Now, how do you explain that to threaten someone isn't aggressive? And about your example there. "It can also mean promising to do something unless specific actions are taken." That's not a threat. That's an ultimatum. A bit similar, but different in a way that I cannot explain.

About my erroneous use of "stereotype", my mistake. I'll try to get it right next time.

And about the "sarcastic illiterate" issue we're having here. I don't necessarily nitpick every word here.



My point is, you tell us that you'd close any thread with "name calling and personal attacks", but you use words equally insulting. That's the message I'm trying to get to you. You as a teacher should know this best. You know that children get insulted by the simplest jokes. That's all.

I think you've gotten off track regarding the problem you initially stated. *I* didn't threaten anyone. I said *they* were threatening something. The people who demand attention and items in order to remain in the game are under the erroneous impression that the rest of us will be hurt in some way if they leave. They are threatening us with this injury (the removal of their illuminating presence) if we don't submit to their demands.

So I guess you have changed my mind about the "aggressiveness" piece, but I stand by my use of "threaten".

HOWEVER, I'm not sure why you're still arguing the point because the word you think is so insulting has already been removed. I don't have to agree with your point of view on this in order to see that a change needed to be made. In this case, the common misperception was more powerful than the reality or intention. That's the way it goes sometimes. It's not worth the time or energy to convince a bunch of offended (or pretending to be offended to cause a stink) folks that their offense is coming from lack of understanding. It's easier to just use smaller words.

Hans
10-06-2015, 02:04 PM
If only I could paste J192's special snowflake thread.

*sighing intensifies*

It was an awesome thread, my friend.

Tanse
10-06-2015, 02:06 PM
can't Solorein have some fun.
was this thread even necessary?
She just tryna light up the forums.

Hans
10-06-2015, 02:18 PM
IceKane, you are too incapable of taking thoughts. That's what I did not part in my opinion to you. You may think that you win debates, go on around causing trouble by saying what you think in the side-lines, discriminate the work of other people in your thought and not share them and create your own problem by the ways you take definitions. No, Solorien, that is not called being sensitive. All together, threaten to quit may be a word of different definitions, they still hold definitions that are to "provoke" other users. It was not your fault for trying to part your "insensitive" care for these people, but it was your fault for still basing a sub-forum to what you have seen the community do. It is like giving in and sinking their thoughts in to you and imposing them as another jocular thought because you think it is altogether right. Which in fact is right in certain contexts.

IceKane, you take definitions and vocabulary too seriously and use them as your weapon to create a mass disadvantage for the other side you are opposing. You only focus on what you read, and not what is the message of what you have read. In certain explanations, this may be due thought or a different behavior you posses.


This is nothing more than a game of twist you are trying to manipulate. Stop this hyperbole and get serious, she changed it already for you people. (Do not take this an attack to both of you, since I clearly tried to make it reasonable enough)

IceKane
10-06-2015, 02:29 PM
I think you've gotten off track regarding the problem you initially stated. *I* didn't threaten anyone. I said *they* were threatening something. The people who demand attention and items in order to remain in the game are under the erroneous impression that the rest of us will be hurt in some way if they leave. They are threatening us with this injury (the removal of their illuminating presence) if we don't submit to their demands.

So I guess you have changed my mind about the "aggressiveness" piece, but I stand by my use of "threaten".

HOWEVER, I'm not sure why you're still arguing the point because the word you think is so insulting has already been removed. I don't have to agree with your point of view on this in order to see that a change needed to be made. In this case, the common misperception was more powerful than the reality or intention. That's the way it goes sometimes. It's not worth the time or energy to convince a bunch of offended (or pretending to be offended to cause a stink) folks that their offense is coming from lack of understanding. It's easier to just use smaller words.

Wait, I said that you threatened someone? I don't remember making baseless accusations like that. Correct me if that's not what you're saying, though. Anyway, looking at "threats" in that context actually makes a bit of sense. The problem was, not too many people got your joke, because it was not well explained. I guess you could say that using "threaten" is fitting, but the use of it was too vague that it was misunderstood.

One reason why I continued this debate was because I wouldn't be satisfied until I saw your perspective on this. Also, excuse me for this, but I continued it because my brain felt rusty without the debates. I just needed a kick from useless humour.


IceKane, you are too incapable of taking thoughts. That's what I did not part in my opinion to you. You may think that you win debates, go on around causing trouble by saying what you think in the side-lines, discriminate the work of other people in your thought and not share them and create your own problem by the ways you take definitions. No, Solorien, that is not called being sensitive. All together, threaten to quit may be a word of different definitions, they still hold definitions that are to "provoke" other users. It was not your fault for trying to part your "insensitive" care for these people, but it was your fault for still basing a sub-forum to what you have seen the community do. It is like giving in and sinking their thoughts in to you and imposing them as another jocular thought because you think it is altogether right. Which in fact is right in certain contexts.

IceKane, you take definitions and vocabulary too seriously and use them as your weapon to create a mass disadvantage for the other side you are opposing. You only focus on what you read, and not what is the message of what you have read. In certain explanations, this may be due thought or a different behavior you posses.


This is nothing more than a game of twist you are trying to manipulate. Stop this hyperbole and get serious, she changed it already for you people. (Do not take this an attack to both of you, since I clearly tried to make it reasonable enough)

About that, I never thought of or intended to use definitions in this thread. I only used them right at the moment it was used against me. I'm pretty sure that you know that irony is one of my best weapons in debates. And as I've said, I did the debate just for the fun of it. Totally selfish, right?

Hans
10-06-2015, 02:45 PM
Wait, I said that you threatened someone? I don't remember making baseless accusations like that. Correct me if that's not what you're saying, though. Anyway, looking at "threats" in that context actually makes a bit of sense. The problem was, not too many people got your joke, because it was not well explained. I guess you could say that using "threaten" is fitting, but the use of it was too vague that it was misunderstood.

One reason why I continued this debate was because I wouldn't be satisfied until I saw your perspective on this. Also, excuse me for this, but I continued it because my brain felt rusty without the debates. I just needed a kick from useless humour.



About that, I never thought of or intended to use definitions in this thread. I only used them right at the moment it was used against me. I'm pretty sure that you know that irony is one of my best weapons in debates. And as I've said, I did the debate just for the fun of it. Totally selfish, right?

I know that myself, since I do that myself. Everyone's twisted in their own egotistic way to cannibalize every other human being just for their gain and so-called "individualism".

And not only in this thread did you use definitions, but some others, too. It's not in a matter of fact wherein you use any weapon to win anything, it's futile and I despise it. Our own opinions in our head is the primal form of paradox in itself, it doesn't matter whether you use anything since everything is pointless against it. What you claim is what you have opinionated, and what you have opinionated is what you change. It's nothing more than a cycle of pointless thoughts pulling out mass from each other.

IceKane
10-06-2015, 02:51 PM
I know that myself, since I do that myself. Everyone's twisted in their own egotistic way to cannibalize every other human being just for their gain and so-called "individualism".

And not only in this thread did you use definitions, but some others, too. It's not in a matter of fact wherein you use any weapon to win anything, it's futile and I despise it. Our own opinions in our head is the primal form of paradox in itself, it doesn't matter whether you use anything since everything is pointless against it. What you claim is what you have opinionated, and what you have opinionated is what you change. It's nothing more than a cycle of pointless thoughts pulling out mass from each other.

To be honest, I have no idea what your point here is. The fact that you said that bold text in the quote makes it look like I said that I only used definitions in this thread. Dunno, maybe that's just me.

Hans
10-06-2015, 02:53 PM
To be honest, I have no idea what your point here is. The fact that you said that bold text in the quote makes it look like I said that I only used definitions in this thread. Dunno, maybe that's just me.

That's just you. I never said you were all definition inclined.

Brys
10-06-2015, 07:47 PM
This thread was derailed so hard...